all right we should probably get started so first of all I would like to welcome all of you and thank you for coming this
is really wonderful that you could actually join us we love to share the kind of interesting work that we do here
and it's really delightful to see that someone of you're interested in this so before I get started I you should know
about the the special security procedures here and I think that that can be probably put up by people in a in
a book in a booth there but it's important that you are aware of where the exits are from this room just in
case if there's an earthquake or and I think like this okay you can see them behind you it's my pleasure to welcome
Tice Gore covered who is our newly minted tunnel ski fellow here it's like
she will tell us about the work that she's doing primarily on the holography and the title of the her talk is about
new imaging of the nature's tiny structures case had learned about
science when she was looking at her broken finger when she was a child growing up at the age of seven and that
of course you know God thinks very interesting biology and physics as well she went on to study physics at
University of Berlin and continued with the graduate studies there and she got a
desert pursues evolve fellowship in Berlin and we slack offered ties
Panofsky fellowship was probably the most prestigious fellowship that we have here and I should mention that ties is
the first woman to have received the Panofsky fellowship here so that's a special honor
without much more ado I just wanted to mention that towards the end of the lecture we'll have plenty of time for
questions we have microphones set up in a room so if you raise your hand I will
recognize you and you can push the button on the little box underneath of
the microphone and that will turn it on but after you're done with your question please turn it off because on the one microphone can be turned on at a time
okay thank you without schnapps Molly do guys well do you hear me yes well thank
you a lot for the introduction and thank you all for coming today if the title
already says I will be talking about Holograms at the nano scales so it might
in my talk I will present you the world first x-ray holograms of viruses
recorded with the most powerful x-ray laser which is located here at SLAC and
my talk is has two parts in the first part I will just talk about holography
what is holography how can we use it to image things I will also show you some
examples which you can basically do at home just to play around with it and all you need is basically a five-dollar
laser pointer and the second part of the talk is mostly focused on what we're
doing here at SLAC such as let's start
what is holography and what are Holograms so you might have a hologram
in your wallet for example on your MasterCard this is the first hologram I
took this source in the back in the University in Berlin this is a reflection holography of coins and
holography is an imaging method which is comparable to photography but it has the
Holograms has much more information in them than regular photos so Dennis Gabor
he was awarded the Nobel Prize for inventing holography he invented the the
holography in 48 and the Nobel Prize it's 71 and holography
is a technique as it says here that enables a light field scatter of objects
to be recorded and later reconstructed and I will just briefly talk about this so if we compare again photography
versus vlog Rafi in photography what you have is you have a film and you scatter
off light of your object and record the
image of the object on on it on a film in holography the basic setup is similar
but there is a very important difference and this is this reference beam so the
reference beam here coming from the side is superimposed with the light
scattering from the object and creates an interference pattern on the film and
this interference pattern contains extra information which we can use for example
to create two 3d images as you will see later on now there are many ways how you
can reconstruct such a hologram so one way is if you just look at the film you
have to shine the reference beam back on the film on the holographic film and you
will see the hologram of your object on the other side of the film so you need
the reference beam for for reconstructing the hologram in this setup now in the for the rest of the
talk I will talk slightly about a different type of reconstruction of Holograms so what we do is we record a
hologram using a camera a CCD camera a camera which you have probably in your smartphone and we connect this camera to
a computer so we don't in order to reconstruct the hologram and retrieve the object we don't have to shine the
reference light on it and we just basically calculate that in a similar
fashion so that we just by pure computation we can retrieve the object
the hologram we record on the CCD chip and this is this types of holograms this
is what I'm going to be talking about for the rest of my talk so what many
don't know is that holography is not only useful to record 3d images
but can be useful also in 2d and even in 1d so here this is this kind of classic
3d holography which everybody knows this is two photos taken from a single
hologram but I'm not different on the different views you angles and what you
see here that when you change your angle you see different projections of the
mouse right so this is that means also that the hologram a single hologram
contains many projections of the mouse this is the contrast to the just simple
photo of a mouse so this is the 3d holographic but the way it was invented
originally by Dennis Gabor was actually as a 2d holography and 2d holography is
very useful if you want to receive high resolution images and he invented it for
electron microscopy in fact and this is one of the folk first Holograms he
recorded so this is the use of 2d Holograms and then some of you may
recognize this experiment this is the famous double slit experiment which you
have to study during every quantum mechanic course and in fact this can
also be regarded as one dimensional holography but I will talk about this later in greater detail just talking
about applications of Holograms so as we mentioned you have Holograms on money
you have Holograms on credit cards Holograms are hard to forge and this is
why they are used for security reasons they can be also used for creating art
just because this one knife then in engineering processes they can be used
to measure stress strain and vibrations and one of my favorite applications is that you can
with hologram with holography you can make basically holographic movies or you
can create you can image ultra-fast processes and one example is actually
listed in gobber's Nobel Prize lecture as shown here so this is two photos
again shown or just taken from a single hologram and this is a hologram of three
flying mosquitoes and so you learn first
thing what you learn is you can create Holograms with really little exposure
times I think here they just use the pulsed laser just the laser pulse so that the the rapidly moving mosquitoes
they appear to freeze and the second thing is of course this mosquitoes they
are randomly oriented in space and you can refocus your hologram and focus on
each mosquito separately just from one exposure so this is the first mosquito
which is slightly in the front and these two mosquitoes are slightly in the back and you can basically process all this
information from a single hologram so this is also a 3d information right so
imagine if if holography would be a superpower and Holloman would be
bothered by mosquitoes during the night he would wake up and within a blink of
an eye he would just create a hologram a 3d hologram of the entire room he would
immediately spot the mosquitoes he would calculate exactly the distances between
the mosquitoes and himself he will focus his powerful laser which he can shoot
from his arm and just evaporate them and just go back to sleep
so this is how amazing holography is okay so what we were talking about right
now is microscopic holography right we these are all Holograms or microscopic
objects but in fact you can use holography to image really small things
so here's just the scale of our world so
we are somewhere here this is the macroscopic scale centimeters meters this is a meter a millimeter here when
you go down this is a human here these are chromosomes our genes animal cells
bacteria then you're at 1 micron and then if you go further down this is the
nano scale and genes viruses 10 to 100 or a few hundred nanometers and then if
you go further down you get to the small molecules and atoms so with optical light what you can do is you can image
or create Holograms of all the structures and I can show you how you can do it using just a
five-dollar laser pointer and nothing else so you might remember that light is a
wave or can be regarded as a wave when it has a certain wavelength and we can use this this character to to image very
small things by a diffraction so this is
just to kind of remind you about what is actually diffraction so if if light
which is here this is the incoming light and it's marked or it's basically here a
plane wave if it if it meets an obstacle or here this is just a one-dimensional slit then it propagates it's a spherical
wave and if you would put a screen behind this slit then what you would see
is just a diverging beam and this is very different from what we know from our macroscopic world right because in
our macroscopic world what you would see on the screen are the sharp edges the shadows of the screen of the slit so for
a very tiny object this is not the case anymore and this is because the light diffracts and light goes here around the corner so
that's pretty amazing now if you make you sit a little bit bigger than the
wavelength of light you can actually in your diffraction pattern you can encode
the size of the slit so what you see here it's a little bit different than
the screen image on the left because what you see here are these dark spots
or these dark modulations in this line pattern and in this dark lines they
carry the structural information of the slit so from from that you can imagine
that diffraction can be quite useful if you want to image things especially very
small things so now diffraction is really odd
diffraction doesn't make a difference between and just the slit or an opaque
obstacle it will create the same diffraction pattern so that's completely counterintuitive for our macroscopic
view because if this would be in macroscopic object you would just see a shadow and so this is a slit and this
can be for example a here and I can just demonstrate you how you can measure your
hair with a laser pointer so
so this is the laser pointer which I have and I just prepared my hair I
didn't want to cut my hair in front of you so maybe you see it now on the
screen on the camera so what you see is
first just a laser spot and when it passes the hair do you see this line pattern so I can again pass this here
now the line pattern is still here and now it's gone again
mine patterns here this vertical line
yeah you see it yeah so and I have to say I
have to be honest with you I have really thin hair this is about 50 microns and
you can see it just with a regular laser pointer in principle you just can Google
how to calculate it from this line pattern you see on the roll okay so so
now we've seen a diffraction pattern of the hair but in fact if you look at the
fraction pattern it's not that you just learn structural information you enter a different space and this is a so-called
reciprocal space and the reciprocal space is a little bit like Alice in
Wonderland of course it marries our reality or our real space but it creates a distortion
of the real space and in the reciprocal space small things appear big and big
things appear small and this enables us to make invisible visible so here for
example I will just show you a couple of very regular things and how they look
like in the reciprocal space
so here again my super laser pointer and
then you see the dot over at the wall and then if I put a netted back which I
stole from my son so it's all high-tech here do you see it right you see this
cross and if you just play around with it it moves it changed orientation okay
so that's fun now what we can do is we
can have a look at a cell phone a smartphone yes so I'm just pointing
laser point a little bit away from you
and now what I'm taking I just I have regular smartphones and I'm reflecting
off the screen towards the screen here and what you see are this dot pattern
maybe I will just turn off the screen
you see that
yeah you see I'm my hand is a bit shaky but you see this dot pattern on this cross and dot pattern and now you can do
the same thing with this CD
that's not exactly okay here you see it
the dot next to the main beam and then you have this ring surrounded so that's
pretty amazing that changes your view of CDs and smartphone sales okay and of
course there's an explanation for for what we see and maybe I forgot the odd
control so what you see is following so
with the netted bag here you see you can resolve the distances in the net here
this is what you've seen on the wall so this really tiny net but I think this is
maybe 500 microns big with a smartphone what you've seen
is a pattern from individual pixels on your smartphone screen and you can go
even smaller so this is the CD and they saw the growth on the CD where the
information is stored and they're one or several micron thin click large small
and you still saw a clear signature just
from from a single laser pointer so this
is the reciprocal space basically with reciprocal space you can you you can use
the diffraction in the reciprocal space to magnify really really small features
let's play around with it a little bit so what happens if you have diffraction
in 2d most of the things I've shown you so far were in 1d but you can also of
course create diffraction pattern and look the representation in the reciprocal space with 2d for example the
pinhole here so what you would see here are ring ring pattern this is here in
false color so you just see the during pattern here the bits of the Ring is
equal even in the highest or even even even if it's far
away from the center of your detector and now if your object or if your
pinhole is we shrink it then your diffraction pattern or and the ring
width gets bigger so again this is the principal small objects they appear
bigger in their reciprocal space and big objects they create this small patterns
okay let's have fun and just look at a few more objects for example here this
is something with many edges so what you would see in your diffraction pattern are the streaks so this is you know okay
there this is something with edges now we can go crazy and just create a
diffraction pattern of the Select logo and this is how it would look like very
confusing and now of course the question is our goal goal was to use the fraction
to image a tiny object and that means usually if you have an experiment you
don't know anything about your object all you get a diffraction pattern and you somehow need to translate it into
the real world and to get a real image and there's a simple mathematical
operation to do this in fact you can download it as an app so for everybody who's interested in this detail please
come after the talk and I can tell you a little bit more about it but let's call it just a translation
algorithm which is just a one-step operation and this is what we do here
this is what we just did and now you see something confusing you don't recognize
your object and the reason is that if you look closely at your object and you
look at the diffraction pattern for example here with slack with a sec logo so the slag logo is very it's a
symmetrical highly a symmetrical but the diffraction pattern seems to be very
symmetrical so it means it has lost some information and once you translate it
back you will see it because the translation will be superposition of all possible orientations and it's
really really hard to guess that this was a slack logo so this is kind of the
drawback of diffraction you can easily access very small scales but it takes
some effort to understand the diffraction pattern okay and of course
this talk is about holography so I will show you how is holography you can
overcome this problem and let's return again into the one dimension just a
fraction form a slit or a hair what you've seen before so this is if you
have just one slit and you have a diffraction pattern this line diffraction pattern which is which has
these modulations on the side to spread like dots and this
tells you about the size of your slit or here or whatever you're imaging now if
you add another slit here you will see a funny thing you will see another
modulation over here diffraction pattern which is kind of indicated here with the arrows and what you record here is the
distance between the slits and this is already very related to Holograms which
I will be talking about later so in the image you don't have only information about the size of your object but the
distance between two objects and this is extremely valuable you can play this game in two dimensions so you remember
the diffraction pattern from a single slit this is usually how it looks like this ring pattern with equal distances
across the detector now if you have two pinholes you will get this straight
modulation right and if you pull them further apart you will get also the straight modulation but there will be
finer and this is again the reason in the reciprocal space things which are
bigger or further apart they appear is a finer feature in the image so this is consistent okay so the next step is
creating a hologram so what you can do is you can just shrink one pinhole and use it as a
reference you remember in holography reference is the most crucial thing you have a reference measurement and what
you're doing with this reference basically you measure the distance between each point in your object and
this is how you create a map of your object so now you recorded the fraction
pattern and you translate it what you get is in the central part that's what
we've seen before this is the superposition of all orientations and then you see the funny things here and
these are the image terms or the cross correlation terms and this are actually carrying the information about this big
object and basically this is nothing else than just the distances between the
reference here and and the object you want to image now we can just
demonstrate it on the slack logo again so with the slack over what we would do we would just add a reference pinhole
which is much smaller than the Select logo it would again record the diffraction pattern and what you would
see is again the superposition of several orientations of flag and then
you would see this image cross terms which actually show you the site logo so
that's nice that only one step operation and you get a unique solution for your problem and this works like microscopes
it should work right they just give you a solution for the structure so that's cool but then now the question is can we
also make a 3d hologram with diffraction on the nano scale and the answer is yes
the only thing you need is again high-tech equipment including again a
laser pointer an aperture and whiteboard
cleaner I will show you this super exciting
sophisticated setup how it works Oh
my mouse is gone so that's good so if I
don't have my mouse I cannot click on the video okay oh here it is so what I'm
doing I'm just closing the aperture and now just spraying the whiteboard cleaner
on the aperture and just watching it with the laser pointer that's it
so that seems extremely boring in the real space but now let's look at the
reciprocal space so I have prepared the setup here let's see if it works
so just screen so that you see what will happen yep yes yes so this is Jessa
that's nothing fancy that's just the laser pointer I have to disappoint you so now I'm just closing the up the
aperture and now I'm just spraying a
little bit of the soap on it and then let's see what happens
you
it's horrible
so I'm just closing the aperture a little bit to kind of show the effect
it's just bubbles moving around but I
think that may be nice to little soap like soap on it
so what you're seeing is now the droplet broke down there's a droplet which is
building up inside the pinhole inside
this droplet there bubbles moving and these bubbles are some of them are smaller than 10 microns and you see
their movement say I think that's good
enough so just kind of clarify what what
you guys are seeing here I took a video because I wasn't even sure this would
work okay
so this is a video of the same process
just in a very very dark room and this is what you see so first I close the
aperture and now I'm spraying the soap and what you see is this very turbulent
motion where I think it's just this big bubbles just floating around
and then at some point there's a droplet building up inside the aperture and you
see the micrometer bubbles floating inside the droplet and I was just
jiggling around the aperture a little bit to kind of induce a little bit more movement you will see it soon so this is
they are moving just by themselves so I'm not going up which is really funny
and then you see this ring pattern here which looks also pretty funny so that's
just triggering them around a little bit and I can tell you that this is a
three-dimensional holographic movie here and I can show you how to read this so
just going back to the details so first we have this 2 micrometer pin pin hole
and then we have this turbulent face where bubbles just form we see it in the
diffraction pattern and then droplet kind of just forms inside the pinholes
and what we see is that there are micrometer small bubbles floating around
and what you see in a single frame of
this video are the so-called mutant rings you see them here and here so this
is a simulation of a Newton ring and the difference to the diffraction pattern just from a single aperture is that the
Newton rings the spacing between the ring patterns it decreases towards the
edges of the detector so this is a new feature and this feature carries
three-dimensional information using pretty simple algorithms what you can do
is you can basically refocus each and individual ring and this will give you a
sharp image of a particle which is floating there in the droplet and when
you do it for every every ring you will
get a three-dimensional map off of your particles floating in in the
droplet so that's very similar to the hologram which I've shown you with the mosquitoes just very small and very fast
and so if we would reconstruct this
single frame what we would get you would get the inside of the droplet and we
would get the positions of the micro bubbles floating around inside the
droplet and if we just recorded frame by frame and recalculated frame by frame we
would get a 3d holographic movie off of the micrometer bubble and so this is
what you can do at home if you're bored
just to explain you how this mutant rings are formed so you might remember
this image of two pinholes which are separated they create this pattern of a
single pinhole with modulation where the distance of the pinholes is recorded the
Straight modulations now if I start to pull the apertures or the spheres apart
along the laser beam access this modulation they become this curvature
and when you go further away basically behind each other then this curvature
will increase and further increase so this is how this Newton rings are formed
and this is why they are carrying 3d information so then let's just sum up so
that just to make sure that now you speak reciprocal what did we learn so
the large object or distances they give us fine modulations if you image
something round like a average every sphere you would get this large round
modulation modulation with equal spacing if you have edges in your object you
will get streaks if you get separated objects which are round you would just
get fine straight modulations and if this objects are also shifted along the
laser axis you will get the Newton so you will get the curvature in this fine modulation so that's good so now
you're good to go to understand x-ray Holograms it's all you need so let's go
to the main topic of this talk which is how to reimage
really small objects and here just to
remind you so the objects we are talking about are not visible with the eye this is viruses senior proteins small
molecules and to image that you need something with a shorter wavelength then
the optical light and the best the best light you can choose for that is x-rays
everybody knows x-rays so as it was
mentioned earlier this was the first image I received in my life the first x-ray image I had a broken finger and so
they took me to the x-ray machine I was like oh my god what happens if they find out that I don't have bones so there was
my biggest fear for some reason it turned out of course I had bones and one
of them was broken so what you see here from this image right is that with
x-rays you can see through things so you get additional information compared to light and as we just discussed earlier
because of the short wavelength and see we can create even you can achieve very
very high resolution down to the atomic scale now they are disadvantages which
come with x-rays unfortunately and one is that they interact with with matter and the reason is that they have a very
different view on the world than we do so if I go to this board here and I
touch it this is very solid I would not have never have the idea that I can walk
through it it's just not happening so if an x-ray sees this board the eastery
says oh there's so much free space right I just can't pass through it because I
can see the distances between the atoms and the lattice so why should I interact
with this matter and that's why in principle x-rays see a
lot more but they also deflect less so you need many extra photons to image
something and then the second disadvantage of course as you all know
x-rays are highly damaging right this is why usually if you get an x-ray image at
the doctor's office they usually try to reduce the exposure time and the reason
is that x-rays is highly ionizing and can destroy basically the structure inside your body so just from that you
can imagine if you want to image really small things really nanoscale things with x-rays what you need are very
intense pulses which are short enough so that you image your example before it's
destructed because otherwise you will just image the damaged particle which
you don't want to and for that we use the most powerful x-ray source in the
world which is LCLs it's also the first hard x-ray laser it's located right here
and this is a bird view from the from the accelerator which is needed to
create this powerful x-ray laser pulses so here electrons are accelerated and in
a way that they emit x-rays which add up and give pulses which are only femtosecond short and just to give you
an example of femtosecond so this is a million of billionth of a second so
imagine if if a second would be the age of the universe a femtosecond would be a
minute so this is how short they are yeah so this is an amazing machine and this allows us to overcome the damage
problem so we be sure that many photons at the sample that the image before the
sample disintegrates and this has been already proven in a couple of pioneering
studies so here just to show you that with x-rays we can access regions which
are not visible with other methods for example the ultra cold so here a couple
of years ago sign discovered that deeply cooled helium droplets superfluid helium droplets they
have this nanoscale tornados tornadoes in them so that's pretty amazing this so
we learn something new about the super cold state of matter and in this
experiment what we did is we heated small nano particles to temperatures which are hotter than the surface of the
Sun and we were just watching them explode so we created an ultra-fast movie and we learned about meta and
extreme conditions superhot matter and of course one super important
application for this is to image fragile nano samples so currently if you want to
receive a high-resolution image of a biological specimen such as a protein on
our virus what you have to do is you have to freeze it and if you freeze it
of course you modify it to some extent if you want to image them at room
temperature in the native environment then x-ray lasers are the way to go so here's a set up which was realized about
now it's six years ago so here viruses were injected single viruses
were injected into the FEL focus and the diffraction pattern from the viruses
were recorded for further downstream and this is the result of this pioneering
study so there we the image mini viruses
and mini viruses we have this equal cylindrical shape so this was the object
more or less this was a diffraction pattern and their reconstruction well it
had three solutions and why is that you remember if you just deflect from an object alone and extremely hard to get
the structure back because you would a lot or you lose a lot of information so it took some thousands of steps and pre
assumptions which led to three different solutions so this is like when you image
something and you with the microscope and you microscope spits out three solutions for the structure you're
imaging so that's that's really good but not the optimal case for
determining the structure of your specimen right now as we talked before
you can use holography to overcome this problem and holography x-ray holography
has been done here at srl many years ago on magnetic films but the problem with
x-ray holography state-of-art extra holography is that the reference scatterer needs to be placed in the mask
very carefully nano manufactured and it's not really easily to be combined
with just randomly injected samples such as the bio samples so people were
thinking and about combining both methods for years until we tried this
where we decided okay we cannot really place a mask but we can place reference
galleries which are also randomly injected into the fal focus so here are seen on little scene on crystals and we
just injected them with a sample we overlapped the sample beams and so that there were many events when they were
close enough to record a hologram and it was a setup so we had the bio injector from the top the Exene on eyes injectors
from the side and we overlapped them in a way that each time the FAL came and
illuminated both the diffraction pattern or there was a high chance the diffraction pattern would turn out to be
a hologram and we were successful so just as a comparison here this is the pioneering
study without holography with three solutions and thousands of sets in between and this is what we did on the
same sample on the same virus so here with holography what you see is you get
clearly this equals a total shape of the hollow of the of the virus and this is a
unique solution so this is like a real microscope and here you have thousands of steps this is only one step so this
is the major outcome of our experiment but then we also imaged smaller viruses
so we could reconstruct them and then we looked closer at the Holograms
and for you guys it will be really easy to Chris now you speak reciprocal right we already really so much about it so if
you look very closely at the hologram but the Holograms you can discover that this much more than the structure of the
virus so let's just look for the features we've learned so far right so
we learn features from from a small sphere or from an aperture right round
features this is what we see here here is the ring here's the ring and here's also ring
which you don't see unfortunately but it still is it's pretty you see this modulation so there's one sphere okay
that's good then we see streaks we know the streaks there must be edges right
and we know this is a virus so this was probably the virus what we see more if
we zoom in to this part if we zoom in really closely then we will discover this fine modulations right you see them
here and then this modulation so some art straight and some are curved so that
means that some particles were very close to each other and in the plane perpendicular to the to the laser and
some were torn apart so that also means that probably there are more than two particles in the hologram so most likely
there is please one sphere at least one virus and then something else which is
which is separated along along the fal axis now if you just translate the
diffraction side and the way we used to do it all the times before this is exactly what we get so our guess was
right so we really speak reciprocal by now so what you get is you get this
super-important super-important term and
then you have this three image terms and they're twin images this is just a
feature so you can disregard this so that's clearly we have three particles in there and apparently we had one
chignon particle which was larger than the other so to see non particles and
then the virus okay and we know that the exciton particles acted as references it
means that just reading the distances here in the translation from the diffraction we know the distances
between the virus and and in the clusters or the spheres 1616 on spheres
and now we can go three dimensional so what you can do is you just refocus your
hologram and that means you will just scan along the along the laser path and
this is how it looks like so you will see that some features become sharp right and others appear to be auto focus
now this is this becomes more pronounced now this becomes more pronounced and
every time a feature gets trapped you know there is a particles there so if you just kind of add up the frames right
so this is these are the image terms and you basically just walk across the focus
and you just look when the features become pronounced and sharp and then you
know this is where your particle was located and that means we created a three-dimensional hologram from a single
exposure which I think has not been done
so far with nano scale particles so just to emphasize it so this nano particles
they were moving with it close to the speed of sound and they were just
randomly injected we had did not have any knowledge about them but using holography we were able to record a full
3d map between them so this is this was
a major outcome of this experiment and there are many potential applications I
would just highlight a few of them so especially processes which happen in gas
phase on moving particles such as everything which is happening in our atmosphere so if you want to know how
clouds are formed how air pollution is formed this all involves nano particle
nucleation dynamics and until now this has been studied only from indirect signal now we can directly
image it and we hope that it might help to understand how air pollution is created to create better climate models
and better understand climate change another field of application is
catalysis where basically nanoparticles are used to accelerate chemical
processes and this is important for energy harvesting so for example to
create more efficient batteries in the future and another field is for example
nano plasmonics this is a relatively new field where nanoparticles are illuminated with optical lights and
there are some funny effects which for example lead to the fact that if you
cover a solar panel with nanoparticles then the the harvest the energy harvest
increases and the processes which happen here on the nano scale and also
sometimes from the femtosecond scale so this is we can image them directly and make movies of this processes and then I
think the most long-term application what we would like to go is to really image Brix of life and really to get
information of individual proteins or or
us about bio particles like viruses because you might know not know this but
most of our knowledge about nano scale objects especially bio object is from
measurements on many many objects and averaging over them so this is the same
approach as if I would say ok I don't know humans and I will just take all the humans in this room and I will image
each of you from a different angle then I would average over this photos and then I would create an average human so
what you would get probably is a supermodel and you will learn a lot
about humans from the supermodel because we have many similarities but you might have noticed that we are all so
different so and you will learn little about that and as many biological systems also
proteins and in viruses they are different and right now most of the knowledge structural knowledge we have
from them is from such averaging right and with x-ray Fe else we are going
towards this possibility that we will be able to see single bio particles from a
single exposure and this is the end of my talk I just like to thank a couple of
people here you see this was a big collaboration so it's really hard to get
beam time at LCLs so once we get beam time it's not uncommon that that
scientists would team up as in this case and there are many people who I have to
say who greatly contributed to this work I would point out two of them Natalia
mer he is a PhD student in Berlin who helped a lot and understanding the Holograms recorded and then Christopher
oh who bots my supervisor when I came to slag and when I realized this
project and my special thanks goes also to the people who helped me prepare this
public lecture especially my son who helped me to work on the demos he was my
main source and I had in the baggages so thank you and of course thank you to all of you
for your attention and being here thanks
thank you very much dice for a wonderful talk so we have time for a few questions as I mentioned earlier if you have a
question please raise your hand and I will recognize you and you then push the red button on your on your microphone
okay so go ahead so maybe I can start with you what you mentioned about
applications to technique but what how would you what improvements to the technique would you are you looking at
how would you have how does this how will this technique get better so what we need to work on is the resolution so
currently our resolution is somewhere between 10 to 30 nanometers so in order
to be to the state of arts imaging systems for example bio nanoparticles
which is currently the cryo-em cryo-electron microscopy we need to increase at least an order of magnitude
and in resolution even even more so but again so what they do is again is this
averaging over the sample so they did they also they do have the image
processing and they averaged about around many symbols and they also take some pre assumptions and this is how
they get the high resolution images so this is this is basically what we're
working on we're also working on the resolution and 3d which we try to do and
as a laser in Hamburg in a free electron laser in Hamburg we did not succeed
unfortunately because of a filter in front are installed in front of the detector but we solved another problem
which is as you can imagine if you would just intersect particle beams then you
hit create when they are exactly in the same spot so the the fal focus is only
one micrometer small it's pretty low so we had really low hit rates but now we
learn how we can inject references right from the source where the bio particles
come came from and it seems that we increase the hit rate by three two orders of magnitude
right more questions yeah go ahead
you mentioned the difficulty with reconstructing the image then none and
the unambiguous reconstruction basically will be possible to use two or three
reference beams to resolve ambiguities yes this is basically what we did right
we had to reference clusters and we just selected the best the best reference or the best image but yet it's a very good
question so you can so you can for example improve your signal or your contrast by including more and more
references it says this is a very good idea we already we also tried that but
we still haven't looked at the data but yeah this is also one thing we've tried yes I think there's a question in the
back there can you use interference wave
can you use interference wave to render an object invisible to check the
invisible render objects invisible oh that's a great question I don't know
have you thought about it whoo that's a really good question our it is this
going to lead some day to personalized medicine where you can look at someone's
cancer cells and identify them and yeah
I mean this is kind of exactly this is what I was talking about as a as a kind
of long-term goal however I have to admit that this x-ray lasers are
extremely expensive and they are very long so I so with x-ray lasers the state
of art actually has we kind of make more proof of principle concepts and we can look at individual kind of structures we
want to resolve but it's way too expensive to take a person's going to a sample from a person and then
put it in and look at it so if if if they seek knowledge yes now if if x-ray
lasers can be shrunk just to a smaller
space and will become cheaper yes why not we hope use the sphere of xenon element
I'm all atoms as a referent is that choice because they're well understood
or their packing is particularly well in stood what what about xenon made that an attractive reference so the honest
answer is so it's because I my PhD
project was on casino clusters and I just had a lot of experimental
experience with that and I knew that they produce very bright a diffraction pattern that which is essential for
reference wave and they are almost spherical so this is a well-known fact and we tested them and every else and
then I just thought well we know the system very well we know how to control it let's just try to use it for
something else but yeah this it's a very good question so it's kind of 16 are we
use xenon because it's a formed Spears very easily and we know how to control them and because they have many
electrons and scatter a lot so that's the historical reasons were in the first place my supervisor chose that it's a
sample but I just kind of took it over to use it for holography sorry
microphone awkward thank you there we go
sorry does this technique scale to other wavelengths like millimeter wave true
yes I mean holography supplies on radio frequency and astronomy or light on so
I've recently you a read an article that you can use whyphy like the white mute
or you have at home you can basically if this somebody you with an antenna outside your home they can create a 3d image of what's
inside your home it is so holography all
right so you make um 3d holographic
presentation you also fire a lot of doses I don't know how far they are
space and time so could you make a movie by measure signals for pulses yes well after the
other so yes actually you get biological reactions yes over time yes this is one
of the main goals so basically the central second time scale allows you basically to enter the first steps of a
chemical reaction and this is what we are trying to do so they are very
promising experiments on molecule ensembles so we cannot image single
molecules right now but if you image an ensemble and then we excite the molecules you can see the changes in the
diffraction pattern my question is a
kind of episome illogical one but hi
it's like Galileo Galilei look into the Stars and the discovering things this is
the kind of technology advancement and what comes what that kind of result you
will look into the face of the god but say no look into that then what comes
with that it's it's really still thinking about the bacteria that time do
you look at the image then we may come up with some kind of answer but this
will result some kind of answer it's a question I have you and your colleagues
your teachers what do they think about this looking into peeping into unknown
going to be solve something so this is a
very deep question and such good questions are always hard
to answer however this is a very basic question about all science right why do we do basic science yeah
and in many cases basic science in the firt is the first glance it appears to
be not useful but then 20 or 30 years later it just turns out that this is
actually something interesting so inherently it's just if you if you if
you are in basic science sometimes it's very hard to judge what will be interesting right so when people started
looking at simsimi conductors which are essential for computers their significance was not recognized
immediately holography took almost 30 years to become significant so you just
imagined god were invented in 48 right after the world war ii he was thinking
about how to increase the resolution of electron microscopy I think this was crazy like if I could be at 49 this is
what what I would be thinking about probably but this is what he did and at the time he did not have the tools to
realize what he was aiming for and there were much more limitations for electron microscopy so this was kind of boring
and his work rested until the invention of the laser and then application basically exploded so it's always good
to ask yourself what why are you doing what you're doing right but all I'm saying is that sometimes with basic
science you don't get a straightforward answer and it's a scientist I'm basically driven by curiosity I was
enjoying a lot working on this presentation for example on the demo with it with a solution you can imagine
my act like this was an act of desperation because I thought I need to show Newton links to the audience so
that they see it that they can kind of play around with them and in a versus in my office how like watch what can it
what can I take right so this is um you know kind of nonsense but fun I I assume
that this is all with with current LCLs the final kilometer
how will your work be helped with LCLs - and and what's our timetable to roll
that out yes so what we're thinking for LCLs - is that we will try to image
ultra-fast processes and particularly what we want is we want to use the high
repetition of LCLs - so that we for example if you want to image how
plasmons so for nano plasmonic application how how matter behaves when
it's kind of excited by light and then
the electrons move and inside the nano particles so we hope to is to develop first an injection technique which is
good for nanophotonics devices for example and the second thing is we will use the high repetition rate because
then we have much more single shots which we can form to a movie and we need
less time to record a movie so this is with this technique this is one of the applications for example yes so I think
it's 2020 19 yeah I think it's 1920 yeah but it's very much approved in it it's
moving forward at this point all right
if there are number of questions that's thank iodized again [Applause]
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